“I have a headache,” groaned the second tree. And that's true in this narrative. Jon: Yeah. It doesn't say "if you eat from the tree and wrong about I will kill you." Tim: That's the tree of life imagery. Well, God three questions: Where are you? Tim: And Moses will go on to say in the book of Deuteronomy, "These commands are life. Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil. The tree of life and the tree of knowing good or bad, how you relate to one determines how you relate to the other. Let's pause. Tea trees will produce leaves during Spring, Summer, and Fall season but not in Winter. Across the patchwork landscape, a snow-capped mountain loomed. Tim: I don't know what actually happened. But more often, it's just, "Man, there's two routes. The mighty second tree was cut down. In one sense they did become like elohim, knowing good from bad. 705 6th Ave, Shenandoah, IA 51601, USA. It doesn't say "if you eat from the trees of knowing good and bad I will kill you." I've never existed in a state of pure moral innocence except maybe in my infancy. Tim: Tov and ra'. There's wilderness and nothing cultivated, and God plants the garden. Tim: I'm pretty sure it's going to be the tree of life. But he's just living out of impulses. Yeah, totally. They came from an apple tree that had given fruit and cool shade to her family for many years. It's also beneficial and harmful, life-giving, catastrophic, harm, death-bringing kind of thing. If you just look on a satellite image Google Maps today, you'll see a big brown stripe through that section with occasional spots of green and blue that are either mountains, oases, high places or river deltas. January 17th, 2020 . Would they...? And the struggle is kind of like, am I going to let myself get away with the bad thing? The second seed also began to push his roots into the ground. This is a perfect place for me!”. Psalm 1 which is part of a package deal or Psalm 1 and 2, are composed as a literary whole introducing the book of Psalms. Ulmus Parvifolia planted in Stratacell system just over 12 months ago. Tim: Ah, the meaning of trees in the Bible in general. Shrewd. Tim: I see. Yeah, brightening of eyes. Tim: The Bible came into existence within a culture that existed and lived and traveled between the Mediterranean Sea on the eastern end and the Persian Gulf across the desert. But then you also said, which is really interesting, we need some sort of new mode of being human. "That's weird that God would say don't eat from that because... Jon: Having the ability to no good from bad is an attractive proposition? F LoBuono. And so they make the wrong decision, God shows up and it's like, "Oh, no, really, you ate from the tree I commanded you not to." It's the tale of two trees. Tim: To experience and eat from the tree of life, you have to walk by the tree of knowing good and bad and not take from it. That's the dynamic at work. Tim: Arum. Two trees. That was the command. “Why didn’t she visit last week, instead, when I had hundreds of apples on my branches?”. Such an important but rich detail worth pondering. Join us as we hear life-changing truth about our identity in Christ and the intimate relationship God wants to have with every person as our perfect heavenly father. Together with the other two trees, she was taken down the lovely hillside. Tim: But I think it's one that becomes much more clear as you go throughout the story. In the same way, good things in our lives are matched by opportunities to choose our own self interest, often without recognizing our selfish motives. So knowing good and bad is a phrase used in the Hebrew Bible like three or four times. Humanity now has a choice: receive wisdom from God or take it for themselves. The second tree thought, “Wow, I’ve never seen anything like this! The first command doesn’t place the tree of life off limits. “Now, everyone will pick my apples. I think the reason why it's so ambiguous, this biblical narrative in general, these ambiguities are there to make you ponder and reread and then go read the rest of the Bible, and then bring what you learned back to bear on those ambiguities and so on. I like that. Tim: They're not inheriting somebody else's mess not ahead of them. Tim: And this is where I might be pondering the story for the rest of my life. Indian Rocks Baptist Church. Jon: So the degree that the story is about true innocence coming into wisdom and knowledge by their own terms instead of the way God wanted to, to that degree, yeah, we can't really relate and all the what-ifs kind of become kind of dead ends. Her visit today was special. They're different. And then the serpent say, "You won't die die. “I’m sure glad my apples are enjoyed by everyone,” he said to himself. And then in Genesis 2, the tree of life is riffing off of but also contrasting with both of those ideas. Jon: It's a gift. The first tree continued working hard making apples. “Oh no, my friend!” he mourned. And those choices could affect your friend - maybe what you do with the money may split up resources or how you apportion vacation time off. Jon: The first command is to eat eat. In the middle of a situation that seems hopeless, God makes a promise to humanity that a seed from their line will undo what has been done. Jon: Keeping up the tree of life while living in a state of death means that they don't have to live forever in death. The tree presents the opportunity for humanity to have proximity with God and receive life in his presence. Tim: Yeah. Humans can spread and create more life for the creatures around them. Because good and bad doesn't just mean philosophical morality. We're a crowdfunded nonprofit in Portland, Oregon. We're not told that's in the middle of the garden but we can assume that's also there in the middle of the garden. “Grow strong my first little seed,” she said. Tim: The tree of life theme video. That's the setup here. Tim: Yeah, yeah. Fear is on the Mic. And then all sudden... Tim: Yeah, that's right. YES! We did a whole series on that. Tim: It's not negative but it does say the serpent has the capabilities. “That pesky wind will blow away all my blossoms!” He gripped the tiny flowers. He says it will kill you. He wants to make them know what is good and evil but on His clock not by their covetous desire. The tree of life resonates and contrasts with ancient imagery by showing life as a gift that God wants to give humanity. He has knowledge of God's words, claims the privileged knowledge of God's divine council decisions. Tim: Strategic. At the end of this segment, Tim and Jon discuss the question of whether Adam and Eve missed a chance to repent in the garden. And then I start making decisions that seem good in my eyes. What if they had repented? Strategic. It has a calm sense of self that is evident with true self-esteem. Tim: That's not the storyline. So Let's send them out so they don't take from the tree of life and eat and live forever.". You will surely die.'" That's a whole nother conversation. So yeah, I walked out of the garden, which was a high place with the trees at the center on top failure. And that meaning is introduced in Genesis 1 and 2 where trees are a real focal point. And so God wants to shelter and protect the humans from good and bad until presumably they can learn wisdom from Him to become wise rulers over the garden. So I will take what I want. He was afraid he would not have apples on his branches. Humanity is in an infant state. Now their otherness becomes a sense of alienation and division. It's attractive. Jon: But there will be a seed who will somehow deal with evil. Tim: That's right. Gary Basheers [SP], one of my theological mentors, many years ago, he first pointed this out to me. The tree of the knowledge of good and bad illuminates the human experience and places a choice before each of us. A human one with the Creator. In the middle of the garden is the tree of life, a common image in ancient cultures. The first command is to eat of all the trees. If you have managed to avoid the book, good for you. "No, you won't die. Now Watching: The Tale of Two Trees; Series: Not Forsaken; Messages. Tim: Sure. 22:2). The word "test" in Hebrew, it's verb nasah. But what is it like for just something to click on all of a sudden, it's like, I don't know good from bad like a child, and now all of a sudden, I'm like Elohim? “What a neat idea! “My friend is amazing,” he admired. Facebook. Then you watch two brothers divide, and then one kills the other. Over the years, the hillside became a favorite place for the villagers to relax, play, and admire the valley. And you can find out all that we're up to on our website, thebibleproject.com. The tree of knowing good bad represents a choice. “You are certainly loved and admired by all of us,” she told him. They longed for the rain to come. Jon: Yeah, tie video will be about the tree by tree of life. You're ruling the world together. The point is the serpent sees this is an opportunity. That's weird to realize. He became angry and shouted at the storm. That's Genesis 2. But also this narrative is explaining my experience. Tim: It's "surely die" but in Hebrew, it's die die. That's right. And my favorite thing about The Bible Project is that it brings the academic language to the regular people, I guess. Jon: At this point in the narrative you're kind of like, "Uh." FOR // Holding on to Hope A lifestyle of disobedience to God’s eternal Word is a life of darkness and shame. Tim: Yeah, but specifically in a situation I can identify all the factors find the solution forward and act on it. He smiled. I think there's a powerful truth to that. In combination, there's only one other group of people in the Hebrew Bible given that job description, and it's the Levites who work in the temple precincts. Every good thing in my life is also matched by an equal or greater number of opportunities to ruin it. Tim: God plants a garden in the midst of a wilderness. The first command it doesn't place the tree of life off- limits, and then if you obey the command, then you get to the tree of life. Jon: But to the degree, this story is illuminating what it's like to be a human and having a choice between "am I going to listen and obey to the voice of God and what He wants or am I going to decide what's good in my own eyes? That's what he says in Psalm 51. The second tree looked across the valley. So there's this progression in their just mental ability. It's a step of going, "You know, as it pertains to my relationships with others. A Tale of Two Trees - Serpents of Desire, Part 2 by Rabbi David Fohrman Mankind's undetermined nature, perched precariously between mortality and immortality. Share. God's pointing me towards life." Jon: Instead of a warning that there is a reality which the humans can live which will lead to death. As she reached the top of the hillside, she smiled at the two apple trees. Title: The Tale of Two Trees. That's why it's right next to the tree of life. When the wind blows, the first tree is still concerned with his primary objectives in life of producing fruit. This is going to be illuminated by what happens especially at Mount Sinai, where you're going to have Israel at another Eden high place where their representative Moses is meeting God up on the top by a tree, the bush... The sixth pillar, the art of personal integrity, is evident throughout the story but particularly when the second tree is struck by lightning. People are trees. But indulge me for a second. In a pouch she carried two small seeds. Jon: So today on the show, we'll dive into the meaning of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. I think there's an element of truth. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowing. So the tree will spoil the gift. The second pillar, the art of self-acceptance is illustrated as willingness to experience. That's always the choice. "I will now sail the roaring oceans," thought the second tree. Something can be done about it. .I always follow my intuition when I paint..Abstract art is not always easy to understand. So to know is to experience life versus death. That's the thing that will kill me and hurt myself and others. They will admire my apples and the Gardner will be proud.”. I think that's what the story is reaching at. With her finger, she traced a large heart somebody had carved into his trunk. So the snake was telling the truth. The first tree, relieved, smiled and stood tall. ", Jon: But then God says, "You can't eat of the tree because now you know good from the bad because you are like me. So when this hit me, and I realized I've been reading a different story into these words, and not letting the words say what they actually mean. And for some reason in English, and it might be just from like grade school, we often experience tests as prove your worth. God commands humans to enjoy the gift of eternal life. Just blatant inversion of God's words. So then we're to the moment of God said no, but is that implied in the narrative that what He means is not yet. The third pillar, the art of being self-responsible, is exemplified when the trees need water. Israel’s obedience to the covenant with God is compared to life and death: “So choose life” (Deuteronomy 30:19). It's what looks like the easier way and then what I'm not seeing is that it's easier for me, but I'd actually make it harder for others to have access to the tree of life. Maybe. Jon: Another thing is there's something very corruptive about eating of this tree where it's not like God can say, "Hey guys, bad idea. • Day 10: Leaving Corcovado National Park, • Day 9: Sirena Ranger Station, Corcovado, • Day 8: Hiking the Corcovado, Costa Rica, • Day 7: Drive to Pureto Jimenez, Costa Rica. Okay, yeah, thank you. • Read Books On Your Phone? Let me tell you what God knows because I've heard Him talk about it." Tim: The reason that the tree is there in the garden, it's a powerful image of the nature of all human experience. Eat eat from all the trees. A Tale of Two Trees. Jon: They got to rule with Him. With a deafening crack, it struck the second tree. 2) Key Verse(s): Revelation 22: 2 There is a tree of life in the city (Rev. You're creating a new value in the world that didn't exist before. And that's where the what-ifs become unhelpful because they're interesting. Tim: Oh, right, right, right. I don't want you to die die. Well... Jon: There's a choice involved. By the evening it was a glow heading up the western side. “What an inspiring hillside! The Gardner approached the first tree and rested her hand softly on one of his lower branches. “My friend is sure a handsome tree. And what the man says is he blames the woman. Jon: God wants to rule with us, we're incapable of doing it, we've failed the test. Jon: Because God said you could eat from any of them. The second tree burst into flames. And so it's about living in connection with God. It's a wonderful friend that I've had since childhood and it's just awesome. In part one (0:00-14:00), Tim and Jon recap the conversation so far. And they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings. Flashes of bright lightning lit up the dark sky while thunderous booms rattled the ground. Sadly, the first tree never is able to find the sense of peace that self-esteem provides. In the day God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened." They would talk about such trees. This was, in large part, because the Lord was enabling me to understand in all the Scriptures the redemptive-historical nature of trees from the Garden to the cross to the new creation. And we talked about how picture of a tree of life was a very common image for the imaginative palette, as you will, of the ancient Near East neighboring stories. To invite a response. Jon: You have chosen to gain wisdom on your own terms. Additional Resources He loved the feeling of the cool moist soil as he stretched down into the earth. In part two (14:00-23:00), Tim and Jon talk about the intertwined relationship of the two trees in the garden. Her visit today was special. 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